Episode 01
Chop Em!, The NFL Draft, The Magical Elite 8 Run, and Tinkle's Extension
Terry Horstman, JP Bertram, and Benny Wehage discuss the origins of the phrase "Chop Em!", recap the 2021 NFL Draft from a Beaver fan perspective, relive the magical Elite 8 run by the men's basketball team, and drop some thoughts on Wayne Tinkle's contract extension while consuming beers together.
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Speaker B: Hello.
Speaker B: Welcome.
Speaker B: This is the first episode ever of Belligerent Beaves podcast, the Drunkish Oregon State podcast on the Internet.
Speaker B: My name is Terry Horseman, and joining me are two of my best friends from college who spent more than four years at Oregon State University with me.
Speaker B: We won't get into exactly how many years because we're not going to embarrass each other yet.
Speaker B: Too much.
Speaker B: It's a little early in the pod for that.
Speaker B: But joining me from the Pacific Northwest, JP.
Speaker B: Bertram in Portland and Benny Bhage in the Seattle area.
Speaker B: I believe it's Tacoma.
Speaker B: Now, benny, is that correct?
Speaker C: That's correct.
Speaker B: It is.
Speaker C: I moved a little bit south about a year ago.
Speaker B: There you go.
Speaker B: And we should specify so that our listeners don't get confused, I know there are probably several hundred listeners already.
Speaker B: Your name is Benny, but you are not Benny the Beaver.
Speaker B: Correct.
Speaker C: Often confused, but that is correct.
Speaker C: I am not Benny the Beaver.
Speaker B: At least that we know of.
Speaker A: Yeah, that's something Benny the Beaver would say.
Speaker B: Benny the beaver would say, he's not Benny the Beaver.
Speaker B: This just popped in my head.
Speaker B: I didn't write this in the outline.
Speaker B: That's right.
Speaker B: We have outlines and s***.
Speaker B: This is so professional.
Speaker B: In the fall of 2006, didn't whoever was Benny the Beaver gets fired for going to Quad Filters and drinking in the Benny the Beaver suit?
Speaker B: Is that a thing that happened, or is that a memory my mind just created?
Speaker B: Because it would be awesome.
Speaker A: I didn't have a fake ID back in 2006, so I would have not been at Clause when it happened.
Speaker A: We wouldn't have to.
Speaker B: I wasn't there, either.
Speaker C: That wasn't the same year where Benny the Beavers had got stolen on game day.
Speaker C: Right.
Speaker B: I had no idea that happened.
Speaker B: But that's amazing.
Speaker C: That did happen.
Speaker C: I think they were different years.
Speaker B: I know you're not supposed to ever know who the mascot is, but I have an inkling we could find a few past Benny's to come on the pot.
Speaker B: If you're listening to this and you played Benny for any season or any event and want to share some stories, let us know.
Speaker A: Little known secret.
Speaker A: Actually, I was not actually Benny.
Speaker A: You guys would have never seen me.
Speaker B: At games, which was you're afraid to be Benny.
Speaker B: Thanks.
Speaker C: I do think that we took the official Oregon State mascot over, though, with the Orange Man suit.
Speaker C: That we sported at games for, what, two years?
Speaker A: Three years.
Speaker B: There's no way that suit lasted two years, I think two games.
Speaker B: It was disgusting.
Speaker A: After that, I've worn the Benny suit.
Speaker A: I have worn the Benny, the whole thing.
Speaker B: When did you wear the Benny suit?
Speaker B: This is, of course, the voice of JP.
Speaker B: Bertram I haven't officially introduced.
Speaker B: JP.
Speaker B: Joining from Portland with the Warriors Pelicans game on in the background.
Speaker B: Are you watching the Marvel Cinema simulcast on you?
Speaker A: I had to.
Speaker A: I had to.
Speaker A: And I'm pretty sure Draymond was the.
Speaker B: Heroes, likely hero in the minds of all warriors fans.
Speaker B: JP.
Speaker B: How's it going?
Speaker B: How's Portland?
Speaker A: Portland's great.
Speaker A: It's wet, it's beautiful.
Speaker A: We're creeping up to summertime, so it's greater than that.
Speaker B: What is the story of you wearing the Benny the Beaver suit?
Speaker A: So, back in one of my many years in college, I worked with the OSU Foundation, and we had to do some photo shoot, and they needed somebody to wear the costume holding a sign so they can get pictures of them, of Benny.
Speaker A: I ended up being the guy who to wear the suit, walking all over campus for various photo ops.
Speaker A: I took the head off at one point because it's hotter than h*** on that thing, and it smells awful.
Speaker A: You know when you highfive Benny and you had that smell that sticks to your hand for three days afterwards?
Speaker A: It smelled like that the entire time inside the suit.
Speaker A: I took the head off and I walked through the mu, which is, like, in the summertime, too, so no one's really around.
Speaker A: But there's the kids camp that was on campus, right.
Speaker A: And I was walking by them first.
Speaker A: They were all coming in, pulling on my tail, jumping on my feet.
Speaker A: It was awful.
Speaker A: So I took my head off, being like, I'm not really Benny.
Speaker A: And it was like all h*** broke loose.
Speaker B: You scarred several children for life.
Speaker A: An administration person came running out of the mu and was like, we heard you were taking the head off of Benny.
Speaker A: You're no longer allowed to wear this suit ever again.
Speaker B: So we had to go back to.
Speaker A: The foundation and return the suit.
Speaker A: That was my one day being Benny.
Speaker C: You broke the one rule of being.
Speaker B: A mascot, the cardboard rule of mascot.
Speaker A: Yeah, I broke the other rule as well, because I was talking, and the kids can hear me, and you're not supposed to do that either.
Speaker A: It's really hard for me to not talk, though.
Speaker B: Right, well, please talk on this because it's a podcast medium.
Speaker B: It's an audio only format, so we're going to need you to talk, and that you're.
Speaker B: All right.
Speaker B: That is something you've never struggled with.
Speaker B: So yes.
Speaker B: Happy to have you on the pod.
Speaker B: Benny, how are you, man?
Speaker B: How's Tacoma?
Speaker C: Tacoma's great, man.
Speaker C: It's getting nicer up here as well.
Speaker C: Was really enjoying myself here about a month ago, watching the Beavers make it to the Elite Eight, right?
Speaker C: And, yeah, we're going to have the spring game on here this week.
Speaker B: Yeah, lots of excitement.
Speaker B: We're obviously going to talk about the Elite Eight.
Speaker B: We're going to talk a little bit of football.
Speaker B: Of course, this podcast is not only about Oregon State sports, but about having beers with friends, and I want to know what you guys are drinking.
Speaker B: I'm going to start with what I'm drinking, though, because although I am the furthest away from our dear alma mater in Minneapolis, Minnesota, where it was 80 degrees this past Saturday, it was wonderful.
Speaker B: It's been mostly in the 60s since then and probably for, like, the next ten days or so.
Speaker B: But recently I got a pretty exciting shipment of various buffalo sauces from Fire on the Mountain in Portland, Oregon, and also a very exciting development.
Speaker B: You can now buy Great Notion beer in Minneapolis liquor stores.
Speaker A: All right.
Speaker B: Woohoo.
Speaker B: A great notion, climbing ladders.
Speaker B: An Imperial brown ale with apples, maple syrup and cinnamon.
Speaker B: It tastes like French toast.
Speaker B: It's delicious.
Speaker B: It's 10.5%.
Speaker B: I could drink so many of these.
Speaker B: So that's why we put the Belligerent Beef tag on there, because, well, we're us, it's not going to take us, but if we're ever well behaved on a podcast, it might be slightly disappointing.
Speaker B: But if we're ever not very behaved, hey, we told you, it's not just for alliteration's sake.
Speaker B: It's an actual warning.
Speaker B: But so I'm enjoying a great point of great notion.
Speaker B: I can't wait to be back in Portland again soon to have one in the actual tap room, but this will suffice.
Speaker B: Ice for now.
Speaker B: JP.
Speaker B: What are you sipping on over there in Portland?
Speaker A: So shockingly, I'm not drinking a local beer because they don't last very long in my fridge.
Speaker A: And then the ones that we actually do get that are local.
Speaker A: I was banned from drinking today by my wife because she didn't want me to burn through all of them that we just got from the grocery store.
Speaker A: So I'm drinking a pie.
Speaker A: Assassin by Anchorage Brewing Company.
Speaker A: It's a north or New England?
Speaker A: IPA.
Speaker A: It is six and a half percent.
Speaker A: It's quite hazy.
Speaker A: It's quite delicious.
Speaker A: I'm almost done with it already, so I might need to go find a backup.
Speaker A: I don't really understand if there's, like, a reference for the name Ty Assassin.
Speaker A: It also has a quote that says, watch your back, Gene.
Speaker A: If I was Jean, I'd be kind.
Speaker B: Of worried jean will not be appearing on this podcast.
Speaker A: We should try to find Jean, though, because I fear for them, but if they're the inspiration of this beer thank you, Gene.
Speaker A: It's great.
Speaker A: I gave it a 4.2 out of five on untapped.
Speaker B: There you go.
Speaker B: Pi Assassin.
Speaker B: I'm trying to figure out what that means.
Speaker B: Anchorage Brewing.
Speaker B: I'm assuming that's Anchorage, Alaska.
Speaker A: It is, yes.
Speaker B: Excellent.
Speaker B: Okay, so we've got Alaska in the house.
Speaker B: The state of my official fake ID of college and the fake ID of about 200 other people who went to the same guy who could only print Alaskan fake IDs.
Speaker B: I don't know if it's smart to out yourself for that on a podcast format, but no one's listening, and that was more than 13 years ago.
Speaker B: Benny, what are you sipping on, my man?
Speaker C: Yeah, I was hesitant to sip on this, especially during our podcast because it is out of Eugene, but it's Mankasi Brewing Dawn of the Red Red IPA, which is good, and it's worth it to sip something from Eugene.
Speaker C: It is 7% and I have not been drinking even close to the way I was during my elongated career, oregon State.
Speaker C: So we'll see how this goes, for sure.
Speaker B: For us to be the best podcast we're capable of being, it needs to have unabashed honesty so we can't just s*** on absolutely everything in Eugene.
Speaker B: I enjoyed the meal I had at Burrito Boy.
Speaker A: Mutus man.
Speaker B: That's about it.
Speaker B: I'm saying we can say Nicassee Brewing is legit, and we could say we had fun nights in Eugene, and then we woke up the next morning, got the f*** back to Corvallis as quick as we could.
Speaker C: But it's Ninkasi and Doe Bros.
Speaker C: Those were the only ones.
Speaker B: Was it do, bros or Doco?
Speaker A: Doco.
Speaker B: Doco.
Speaker B: I think Doco is a chain that's just in a bunch of random different places.
Speaker B: But Eugene had one in Corvallis.
Speaker B: Didn't you have any chains?
Speaker B: Not really.
Speaker B: Remember?
Speaker B: I think it was my junior year.
Speaker B: It was when we got a Chipotle and people went ape s***.
Speaker B: That was a huge Corvallis development.
Speaker B: That chipotle came to town that was at the opposite end of Monroe from the Kydova.
Speaker B: So that was the first instance of the Chipotle Ketova wars for me.
Speaker B: Well, since we are watching a podcast about our Oregon State fandom, I sent the idea for this initially over a year ago to JP when Quarantine had first started and all of us were bored and inside.
Speaker B: And I think we had no sports and we had no sports.
Speaker B: So obviously starting a podcast about sports when there were no sports to COVID was smart.
Speaker B: I think a lot of podcasts have started and probably tell them the last 14 months, this might be the next entry into that list.
Speaker B: But just to create a format chat about just how f****** fun and funny it is to be an Oregon State fan, clearly none of us had any idea this magical basketball season was going to happen, so we're going to talk about that.
Speaker B: But I want to talk about something else first.
Speaker B: You guys, the three of us are often online and often talking about Oregon State sports, right?
Speaker B: And one thing than most other people, usually on Twitter will have hashtag Go Beavers, which most of Beaver Nation uses.
Speaker B: And the three of us, and probably only the three of us, maybe a few other outliers follow that up with hashtag chop them.
Speaker B: And I want to spend a few minutes talking about chop them, why we say chop them and how that weird phrase was birthed due to existence.
Speaker B: And I remember this being probably, let's say it's exactly ten years ago tonight, because that's more poetic.
Speaker B: So ten years ago tonight, we had escaped corvallis.
Speaker B: At this point, I think for the most part, I was graduated.
Speaker B: You guys were almost soon to be graduates.
Speaker B: I was interning for the Portland Timbers, benny's favorite professional sports team and a team JP loves to make fun of.
Speaker B: Some digs for that will probably be coming on either tonight or future episodes.
Speaker B: And I remember being at O'Brien's on Northwest 21st street.
Speaker B: O'Brien's, rip it's.
Speaker B: Sadly not there anymore.
Speaker B: Which makes me sad because it was just, you know, your typical s***** Irish dive bar that is so versatile and so useful, that just seems to be closing in the type of buyer that seems to be closing in cities across the country.
Speaker B: And the idea was, we were talking about how Oregon State needed to catchphrase, like, Roll Tide or War Eagle or like, GigaM or Sickham or all those SEC tools that just have, like, cool little catchphrases or whatever because our branding wasn't cool enough.
Speaker B: And I remember Kevin Doan being like, it just starts with an idea and a bunch of people who buy into the idea, and somehow we landed on saying shop them as like, our cool SEC version of encouraging phrase whatever.
Speaker B: And I think we texted all of our friends, hey, for Oregon State s***, start saying chop them down.
Speaker B: And a few people are like, OK.
Speaker B: Our friend funky Paul Molina was like, Why isn't it chomp them?
Speaker B: Chomp them makes more sense.
Speaker B: We're like.
Speaker B: No, Paul, it's Chomping.
Speaker B: Am I wrong?
Speaker B: Am I completely making this up?
Speaker B: Do you guys have any of my memories of drinking with me at O'Brien and talking about this?
Speaker A: I have no memory of that at all, to be honest.
Speaker A: I do remember, I guess really, my earliest, like, where I really bought into this was when the line was drawn in the sand, are we chop them or chomping?
Speaker A: Right?
Speaker A: And it was definitely one of those things where there was arguments on either side.
Speaker A: Very valid arguments.
Speaker A: Arguments, though.
Speaker A: Very valid arguments, though.
Speaker A: Clearly.
Speaker A: Chop them one out.
Speaker A: Rightfully so.
Speaker A: I think I have tweeted 30,000 times in my Twitter existence.
Speaker A: I think 26,000 of them have hashtag chop them.
Speaker A: I just looked my earliest instance of tweeting chop them, it was December 29, 2011 at 618 PM.
Speaker A: Okay, I have no idea what that was for a bowl game?
Speaker B: No, December 29.
Speaker B: We didn't go to a bowl in 2008.
Speaker B: That was the Sacramento state season.
Speaker A: This was clearly basketball.
Speaker A: But I mean, this thing goes back.
Speaker A: I've got hashtag chop them, hashtag gobies, hashtag haul in, right?
Speaker A: Hashtag chip Kelly is fat.
Speaker B: I mean, this is fat shaming podcast.
Speaker A: But no, of course I took fat studies in Oregon State.
Speaker A: Did you guys take that class?
Speaker B: No, but really, this was after you graduated, JP.
Speaker A: So I don't know how it started.
Speaker C: Okay.
Speaker A: But it still is on and the next generation says it, too.
Speaker A: My son says it.
Speaker A: He's four.
Speaker A: So there is some sticking power.
Speaker B: Betty, do you have any memory of this playing out when we were in Portland?
Speaker C: I have to say, I don't remember much about how chop them came to be, but I do remember that Funky Pomolina was not involved in the original conversation of coming up with it.
Speaker C: And I've never seen some person try to advocate so hard for something that they weren't involved in in the first place.
Speaker C: So it definitely is chop them, not chomp them.
Speaker B: I remember that detail.
Speaker C: That is one of the I don't.
Speaker B: Know if I was there, but Funky Palmelina was not there one.
Speaker C: I think if you were to ask Funky Palmelina about that, he would still say that it should be chomping to this day, which is unfortunate.
Speaker B: Right.
Speaker B: All right.
Speaker B: Well, there you have it.
Speaker B: We don't know how chop them happened, but there is social media evidence of us using it ten years ago.
Speaker B: So when you hear us reference it on this pod, it essentially means Go Beeps, but with a little bit more ambition than Go Beaves.
Speaker B: Like we wanted to not absolutely name the Beaves in it, but just have people who are in Beaver Nation here and be like, oh, that person is talking about Oregon State.
Speaker A: And feel free to adopt this as well if this is your first time hearing it, by all means.
Speaker B: Exactly.
Speaker A: The more chop them the better.
Speaker A: If I'm in the airport and I hear a chop them, I am going to go chug a beer and give you a hug.
Speaker A: It's going to be amazing.
Speaker B: Yeah.
Speaker B: If I hear a chop them in an airport from someone other than you, too, I have no idea what I'll do, but I'll know we made it then.
Speaker B: We don't know that.
Speaker B: Tweeting chop them incessantly is not what helped Oregon State basketball finally reach that magical level that they reached this past year.
Speaker B: Obviously, it was the basketball run where we started talking and kicking this idea around again.
Speaker B: JP and I talked on my pod with the Call the Night Oregon say it was eliminated by Houston.
Speaker B: Thankfully, sometime it's past and then so I'm still feeling a little bit more positive, but I want to start with football.
Speaker B: I think it's a little bit more timely than talking about the men's and women's basketball team to start off.
Speaker B: Spring football is going right now.
Speaker B: We just had the NFL draft, and while I was very surprised and felt very encouraged in the moment when Nisha and Wright went 99th over all of the Cowboys, I thought that was a lot earlier than he was going to go, but I was very happy for him.
Speaker B: Nation made a lot of plays for us and was a big part of that victory against Oregon this past year.
Speaker B: I was so disappointed to see Jamar Jefferson last all the way to the last few picks of the draft.
Speaker B: I was disappointed to see Hamakurashi Jr.
Speaker B: Not get drafted at all.
Speaker B: I thought those two guys got totally snubbed, but from a Beaver's lens, what were your reactions to Nissan Jamar and Hamaka?
Speaker C: Yeah, I was really surprised to see Jefferson drop so far on the boards.
Speaker C: To me, last year was such a unique sort of season, and the numbers that he put up, especially in 2019, just made me feel like going as late as he did was a disservice to him, but certainly a huge pickup for the Lions.
Speaker A: Yeah.
Speaker A: Look, if you at Jamar's year last year, it was almost like everyone expected it coming.
Speaker A: It was like his progress has just continued to compound on himself to the point where you're like, there's no way this dude isn't rushing for less than 100 yards.
Speaker A: There's no way he's not going to break for something like more than 30, at least one exciting play.
Speaker A: And then it got more and more likely as the games went on.
Speaker A: Right.
Speaker A: He had those two big breakaway runs against Cal, and then we go against Oregon and we're like, they're sure as h*** prepared for every ball to go to Jamar.
Speaker A: There's no way that they would come in there and be like, they're going to throw it.
Speaker A: So the fact that he's just ran all over the Duck's a** all game long just was a testament to how good the dude is and was in college.
Speaker A: I was surprised he fell.
Speaker A: I am a huge germurf stan.
Speaker A: But, yeah, some of those comments post draft, I get the chip on your shoulder.
Speaker A: Don't throw us under the bus, dude.
Speaker B: Right.
Speaker B: I don't have his comments in front of me.
Speaker B: Just whenever you want to repeat at least what he said or part of what he said.
Speaker A: Yeah.
Speaker A: Paraphrase.
Speaker A: It was something like he was under recruited and came from a low tier college, is why he slipped in the draft.
Speaker A: And look, we are not Alabama by any stretch of the imagination.
Speaker B: We have a cooler catchphrase, though.
Speaker A: But come on, man.
Speaker A: Yeah, I think I know their offers.
Speaker A: This was your thing then, right.
Speaker A: You know, big power, five offers, so you should be like, I made Oregon State on the map, right?
Speaker A: On it, don't blame it.
Speaker A: That was my takeaway.
Speaker B: Right.
Speaker B: And I think that is disappointing to hear a little bit, but I also think part of that is him sort of projecting onto the perception of Oregon State, maybe.
Speaker B: And I know NFL scouts are looking at everywhere for talent, but there's still an inherent East Coast and SEC bias when it comes to the way that college football is covered.
Speaker B: I'm thinking back to a few years ago when Washington made it to the College Football Playoff.
Speaker B: And Kirk, Herb Street, who has always been a s*** analyst.
Speaker B: I said it did that whole Cupcake Washington schedule segment where he was putting cupcakes on the table about the teams that Washington was playing on the same Saturday that Alabama was playing like the f****** Citadel.
Speaker B: So all that stuff happens.
Speaker B: Pack Twelve After Dark is taking place when the most ESPN personnel has been asleep for 3 hours.
Speaker B: No one gives a f*** about Oregon State.
Speaker B: The Gary Anderson era really set us back, I think, in terms of making any kind of mark outside of the Willamette Valley.
Speaker B: So it's disappointing for Jamar to not totally own being a Beaver or anything like that, but I can see how frustrated he would be in the moment.
Speaker B: So I don't think there's a ton to what he said.
Speaker B: But it's not Oregon State's fault he flipped in the draft.
Speaker B: I think it's team's overlooking elements of his game.
Speaker B: And Benny, any thoughts from you on Jamar and him falling so far?
Speaker C: Yeah, well, I agree that I think that it was either a comment that was I can't say that it was taken out of context, but probably one that was made out of frustration on his part.
Speaker C: Because coming out of 2019, if you're Jamal, you have to figure that you're going in the first four rounds of the draft, right, absolutely.
Speaker C: In 2021.
Speaker C: And so to see yourself drop to he was almost irrelevant this year, it has to be a huge hit to the pocketbook, too.
Speaker C: So I understand the frustration completely.
Speaker C: But to your point, I mean, it's not Oregon State's fault that he fell as far as he did.
Speaker C: I think of circumstances just to touch.
Speaker A: On what you're saying about the pocketbook.
Speaker A: Like, Rashida actually probably had it better going undrafted because you get slotted in the 7th round.
Speaker C: Right.
Speaker A: And it is nothing versus negotiating your own deal as an undrafted free agent.
Speaker A: There are plenty of stories of dudes who outnegotiated even what would have been like a 6th round slotting for them.
Speaker A: So getting selected, you don't get a choice.
Speaker A: You don't get any negotiation power on your contract.
Speaker A: And when you're that close to having his own freedom to choose where he.
Speaker B: Could go, yeah, the Lions are in full rebuild mode, but they also drafted DeAndre Swift pretty high last year, so I don't know that his path to a bunch of carries is super open.
Speaker B: He's going to be in a pretty crowded backfield.
Speaker B: The one thing that and I hate it when people sort of use this as an excuse, I guess it is something that teams do view the draft through in trying to look up weaknesses or reasons why he fell in preparation for this.
Speaker B: Lots of, you know, teams called him a scheme fit or he needs to be in a running in a zone blocking scheme similar to what Oregon State did, but a lot of teams in the NFL run that scheme and run blocked that same way.
Speaker B: And that dude came he wasn't a big recruit, but he came out of nowhere when he was splitting time his freshman year with Art Davis Pierce, and he f****** ran all over Ohio State in that game, and he never looked back.
Speaker B: Like, I just think this happens every year in the draft where we talk about guys who fell.
Speaker B: Just turn on the f****** cape and watch him running away from some of the best teams in college football and what.
Speaker B: You said, JP, when they know he's getting the ball, especially this last year, there was a bit of during much of Adrian Peterson's tenure with the Vikings, some of the offensive linemen called his writing style famine, famine feast, where it would be like zero yard gain, zero yard gain, two yard gain.
Speaker B: But then the next one was a 70 yard gain.
Speaker B: And I think that was, like, kind of similar to Jamar this past year.
Speaker B: But to hold that against Jamar is just insane to me.
Speaker B: The Pac Twelve was the last Power Five conference to say we're going to play.
Speaker B: The season was so ill prepared from a scheduling standpoint on the conference, and all of the teams had to have been unprepared, too.
Speaker B: And Jamar just came out and bald.
Speaker B: So I was so shocked that he was was not one of the first names mentioned on Day Three, and I wasn't watching the draft much on Saturday.
Speaker B: And I got my car sort of as the draft was ending and had it on the radio, and I heard his name, and now it's at like 06:00 P.m.
Speaker B: Central Time, and I was like, what the f***?
Speaker B: How is this possible?
Speaker C: Well, talking about just turning on the TV and passing the eyeball test, for me, that was Rashid, right?
Speaker C: Like, our defense looked garbage two years ago, and they weren't much better last year.
Speaker C: So to look good on that defense, I think you have to have a ton of talent.
Speaker C: And even though he had a little bit of a setback last year, I mean, the same argument can be made for him as we're making for Jamar, that it was just a weird season.
Speaker C: But you turn on the TV and watch him play in 2019, and then to say that he went undrafted, it's sort of mind boggling how that happened.
Speaker C: But then again, you have the Pack Ten Defensive Player of the Year going in the fifth round.
Speaker C: So I think the Pack Ten was just undervalued this year in general.
Speaker B: Right.
Speaker B: The Rashid thing kind of baffles me because I guess I saw some predraft stuff that didn't have him going that high, but the Pro Football Focus ratings loved him.
Speaker B: So I kind of thought that teams with analytics, forward approaches to the draft would jump on him as early as the fourth round, I would have been surprised to see him go.
Speaker B: So I think that's a pretty bad omission on the part of the NFL.
Speaker B: Obviously we're looking at this to orange and black colored glasses, but I think the Jet's got a massive steel in the hammock.
Speaker A: Yes, agreed.
Speaker B: I know it's what have You Done for me lately kind of league.
Speaker B: So, like, his most recent tape is going to be what's?
Speaker B: Taking the most seriously.
Speaker B: But every team we were playing against was double teaming him and just trying to take him out of it.
Speaker B: I think Hamaka is much closer to the 2019 version of himself for 2020.
Speaker B: At worst, it's somewhere right in the middle, and in the middle, it's still a valuable pass rusher on an NFL team.
Speaker B: So I would not be surprised if he just really made a dent this year or early in the season for the jets.
Speaker C: Yeah, and I mean, his comments after he signed that deal with the jets was, and this is paraphrasing, but I wish people would stop congratulating me and tell me to work harder.
Speaker C: And it's like, I love so much.
Speaker C: Me too.
Speaker C: And he's obviously going to most likely be a practice field player for the jets.
Speaker C: And what a better attitude would you want if you're the jets than exactly that, right?
Speaker B: I'm hoping the best for all these dudes.
Speaker B: Rashid will be joined by fellow beaver Isaiah Dunn.
Speaker B: I don't think I would have been terribly surprised if he went in the 6th or 7th round, but wasn't surprised to see him undrafted, but happy to see both those guys'teammates on the jets and hope they both make it.
Speaker A: It's always fun to see Beaves in the NFL, so hopefully they make the roster and start making an impact.
Speaker B: Now transitioning from Beaves in the NFL to Beavers, who are still Beaves, I guess once a beef, always a beef.
Speaker B: But Beavers, who will be playing for the Beaves this fall, assuming that second wave or variant doesn't f*** up this college football season, we are currently scheduled to open in West Lafayette, Indiana at Purdue University.
Speaker B: I'm going to ask you guys a bunch of questions about the team this year and about Smith, but this is a road game against the Power Five opponent in the Midwest.
Speaker B: My first question, fellas, who's coming with me?
Speaker B: Who's coming, man?
Speaker B: Who's coming with me?
Speaker C: I feel like JP has so much of a better excuse to not go with you than I do.
Speaker C: So I am tentative but favoring the yes.
Speaker C: I think I should be able to make it there.
Speaker B: JP just had a daughter, like, four months ago.
Speaker A: Five months ago.
Speaker B: Four months ago.
Speaker A: She'll be pretty old by September, but.
Speaker B: Yeah, she can take care of herself by September.
Speaker A: I mean, she's clearly slowly developing.
Speaker A: If not right.
Speaker B: Betty will fly into Indie.
Speaker B: We'll meet up with friend of the pod Erin Stevens in Bloomington, Indiana.
Speaker B: He went to our friend Aron Balak Stevens of a proud Alum of Indiana University.
Speaker B: I think he'll go just to cheer against Purdue.
Speaker B: He might cheer for Oregon State harder than either of us just because it's a good thing.
Speaker B: Yes, I looked up some breweries and airbnbs and hotels in West Lafayette, Indiana.
Speaker B: The goal should be for us to host a live episode of the podcast at a brewery at Purdue the night before the game.
Speaker B: That's what I'm hoping for.
Speaker B: I don't care if anyone just podcasts in the brewery.
Speaker C: If we can lock that down, then I'm a definite yes.
Speaker B: H*** yeah, baby.
Speaker B: Jason, you can zoom in if your family does not allow you to travel at that point.
Speaker B: But yes, I think we absolutely need to make in podcasting.
Speaker B: Podcasts and fails all the time.
Speaker B: You got to set long term goals.
Speaker B: So being relevant enough to podcast from the Purdue game I think is a reasonable and achievable first goal for us in four months.
Speaker A: That's your long term goal?
Speaker B: That's the first long term goal.
Speaker B: It's not the longest term goal.
Speaker B: The longest term goal.
Speaker C: It's the shortest long term goal.
Speaker B: This is going to be the most.
Speaker A: Short term long term goal.
Speaker C: One last thing.
Speaker C: If we can throw in just visiting Hickle Field house just to relive some memories yeah, we got to do that.
Speaker C: Then I'm in for sure.
Speaker B: We'll swing by the gym from Hoosiers too.
Speaker B: Hoosiers as well.
Speaker B: There is not a movie called Hoosiers too.
Speaker B: I don't think that'd go over very well.
Speaker B: But anyway, Oregon State football opens the season September 4 at West Lafayette against Purdue University.
Speaker B: What are your guys'expectations for this football season?
Speaker B: I want you to answer first because.
Speaker A: I feel weird huge, like, every year.
Speaker A: Are you kidding me?
Speaker A: Every year.
Speaker A: You spoil pack twelve championship robust.
Speaker A: Realistically, I think a stretch solid season would be like eight and four.
Speaker A: It really, really depends on how our quarterback situation looks, obviously, but there's some winnable games.
Speaker A: I think our schedule favors us nicely, especially our home schedule.
Speaker A: I'm definitely worried about the Purdue game because whenever we go east, we don't play well.
Speaker B: That dates back to the Riley era, 34 and nothing at Cincinnati.
Speaker A: Yeah, so I'm worried about that, especially with it being the first game.
Speaker A: I'm chalking that up for an L.
Speaker A: Sorry to just put a damper on the beginning of the season and your fun podcast at a bar, and we're.
Speaker B: Podcasting before the game.
Speaker B: I will not commit to podcasting after the game.
Speaker B: I think after is probably more interesting, but we will have a podcast after.
Speaker B: I'm not podcasting.
Speaker B: Live from West Lafayette after a potential 49 to ten Oregon State loss.
Speaker B: Although maybe that'd be funny.
Speaker B: Maybe, like, Purdue fans would just come by, feeling bad for us, buying a spears.
Speaker B: Benny, we look, we're approachable young men.
Speaker B: I think we make a lot of friends of that Purdue fan baseable.
Speaker C: Right now when we're talking about spring ball and football season still months away, we may not be approachable after a 49th.
Speaker B: We might be getting not just 86 from I think it's called Purdue Memorial stadium, it's one of those boring names, but we might get 86 from West Lafayette, Indiana, and maybe the whole state of Indiana.
Speaker B: So not a bad thing.
Speaker A: Sign me up.
Speaker B: Betty, your overall expectations for this season?
Speaker C: Yeah, I think that we need to have a better defense in order to have a chance at all.
Speaker C: So when we're going to be watching the spring game here this week?
Speaker C: Like if we can get through the spring game without making, like, racking up 50 penalties, I think we'll be in decent shape because the quarterback play was decent last year.
Speaker C: The running back who's going to be starting BJ Baylor, if I'm not mistaken, he's had a lot of praise given to him.
Speaker C: And just generally speaking, I think Smith is going to have the offense prepared more so than the defense.
Speaker C: And the defense, it seemed like last year, like our schemes were okay and individual play was decent at times, but it was like the boneheaded mistakes that was killing us.
Speaker C: So, again, if we can start shoring things up, then I think we have a chance to become bull eligible.
Speaker C: But Smith has to become bull eligible this year or he's going to be on the hot seat.
Speaker C: And it's going to happen really quick because this is going to be his, what, fourth season?
Speaker C: Fourth under his belt.
Speaker B: Yeah.
Speaker C: So, I mean, now he has all of his kids that are playing, in my opinion, is like the rebuild has to start the building process this year.
Speaker A: Can we also maybe tackle this year?
Speaker A: That would be just phenomenal.
Speaker A: I'm pretty sure you're supposed to do that in football, but how many years of watching or say football?
Speaker A: I thought they were outlawed.
Speaker A: It to be good.
Speaker C: How many times did we text each other where we're like, that was a simple tackle.
Speaker C: That was a routine you make that day one in spring ball tackle, and we missed it.
Speaker B: It looked like we're playing seven on seven in a lot of games with flags and s***.
Speaker B: Are we totally sure that Jonathan Smith, who is quarterback of the best organ state team in school history, who was on that team with a defense that was overly penalized even for the era they played in?
Speaker B: If they played that style today, they'd be suspended for the season by the first quarter of the Purdue game.
Speaker B: Is Smith overcompensating by not coaching up his defense to play like the 2000 Beaves, or is it completely unrelated?
Speaker B: I think it's completely unrelated, but I just wanted to bring up the 2000 Beaves and how that team, I think, set records for personal files, it didn't matter for the most part.
Speaker C: Okay.
Speaker C: That year we doubled up.
Speaker C: I think USC was second with like 15 personal files.
Speaker C: We had over 50 personal files that year.
Speaker C: It was bananas to watch.
Speaker C: And if we have a team that's half that, I would be so happy.
Speaker B: The old the Reps can't call a personal foul on every play strategy, do it on every play and it'll water everything down.
Speaker B: I think bull eligibility is my hope and I guess expectation.
Speaker B: So in 2019 we were five and seven and everyone said the Beaves were ahead of schedule.
Speaker B: Smith was a candidate for a Conference Coach of the Year with a five and seven record and probably would have gotten it if they hadn't lost that last second heartbreaker at Wazoo and they would have gotten bull eligibility.
Speaker B: Bull eligibility in that year, honestly, would have been an insane accomplishment.
Speaker B: Going five and seven that year was an insane accomplishment.
Speaker B: Just given where this program was in 2017, if that had continued much longer, there's no way we'd be starting a podcast about it because talking about Oregon State football would not be putting years on to any of our lives or anything like that.
Speaker B: So going into last year, I was hoping for bull eligibility.
Speaker B: Then, as last year happened, it was kind of hard to assess.
Speaker B: So now I'm not really sure what to expect or what's fair.
Speaker B: Benny, you said if we don't get both eligibility, then Smith should be on the hot seat.
Speaker B: I think that's fair.
Speaker C: I said Smith would be on the.
Speaker B: Hot seat, then be on the hot seat.
Speaker B: Especially if it's like two and ten, it's a pretty hot seat.
Speaker B: If it's five and seven, I think it's a warm seat and I think that's fair to say.
Speaker C: I agree with that.
Speaker B: Get a ball game.
Speaker B: I'm not sure who's quarterbacking us to an eight and four season.
Speaker B: I think the team is more talented.
Speaker B: The transfers coming in looks pretty good.
Speaker B: I'm more excited for this receiving group than I have been this side of the Rogers brothers treeshon.
Speaker B: Harrison looked good and a little bit of time.
Speaker B: He got martial tongue is a pretty big name receiver to a transfer here.
Speaker B: So whoever's playing quarterback, whether it's Jebia Nolan or someone else, I'm not sure how locked in we are to either of those two guys.
Speaker B: It's going to be one of the most dynamic receiving cores we've had in a while, so I'm excited.
Speaker B: I'm not sure how much optimism I'm willing to put into all of this.
Speaker B: Translating into wins this year.
Speaker B: If it's eight and four, like JP, you said you are expecting to see or hoping to see.
Speaker B: I'm f****** elated.
Speaker B: I think Smith should get conference coach of the year.
Speaker B: If it's eight and four, it's like.
Speaker A: If all goes perfect, right?
Speaker A: I mean, that's like we blow the game against Purdue, we lose An SC for the 8,000,000th time.
Speaker A: We haven't won Se since 1960, so I'm not going to throw W on that one.
Speaker A: Plus they're pretty solid I see us losing a home against UW.
Speaker A: I see us losing a home against Arizona State.
Speaker A: And then we go down to Eugene and just bank the ducks and give them the finger pee on the middle of Austin and leave.
Speaker A: That's what I would do.
Speaker B: I think we all know Smith would.
Speaker C: Not be on the hot tub.
Speaker C: Honestly, I think that Smith would save his job if we were ten nine going into the Oreo.
Speaker C: And Terry, back to your point.
Speaker C: Going back to 2019, and we did.
Speaker C: So we had to win two of our last four games right against Washington, arizona State, Washington State and Oregon.
Speaker C: And we lost three of those.
Speaker C: I think that I may have to be the one that the Washington State game falls on.
Speaker C: I don't know if you remember, but Max you remember Max Borgie?
Speaker B: I do.
Speaker C: Max Borgie.
Speaker C: And I started the hashtag, who the f*** is Max Borgie?
Speaker B: Yeah, cause he was talking s*** and he deserved to have that hashtag.
Speaker B: And then you made that hashtag happen and then he got on the field and beat our a**.
Speaker B: God d*** it.
Speaker C: Like five touchdowns, including the game winner.
Speaker B: The funny story about that weekend so that was a Friday night game and I was devastated.
Speaker B: The next game at Minnesota was hosting Wisconsin, and probably the biggest game in recent Gopher history.
Speaker B: And college game day was in Minneapolis.
Speaker B: So I went to the game.
Speaker B: There's a group of Gopher fans who I normally tailgate with here, and I always wear Oregon State stuff to the tailgate.
Speaker B: And at the end of the season, it was a pretty warm day, but it was like snowing pretty hard.
Speaker B: So just picturesque.
Speaker B: Winter football, Minnesota weather, it was awesome.
Speaker B: I'm wearing this Beaver sweatshirt and a Minnesota hat, and my only goal for the day was to find the Washington State flag guys.
Speaker B: This is like 9 hours after the final touchdown scored in, I think, I don't know, it was like a 58 to 53 Wazoo win over Oregon State.
Speaker B: And I texted some Wazoo fans that I know.
Speaker B: I was like, this is probably the best game ever played between two, five and five teams.
Speaker B: The offensive plays were amazing.
Speaker B: I watched it with some friends.
Speaker B: I was going crazy.
Speaker B: If you're just a casual observer of a game, you're almost always trying to cheer for a high power, tit for tat, high scoring game.
Speaker B: So it was awesome.
Speaker B: And I found the Wazoo flag guys, I have a picture with them on Instagram.
Speaker B: And right when I walked up, I was like, can I get a picture with you guys?
Speaker B: And they're like, I don't know, what do you think of Max Borgie?
Speaker B: And initially I was like, f*** that guy.
Speaker B: But I respect them.
Speaker B: And they're like, all right, I guess so.
Speaker B: I was like, my friend tried to start a hashtag that said hashtag, who the f*** is Max Borgie?
Speaker B: And then he scored five touchdowns on it.
Speaker B: He's like, hey, well, thank your friend for us.
Speaker B: So I absolutely Betty do put that loss 100% on you.
Speaker B: So Smith gets an additional year of cushion to get full eligibility because that loss was your fault.
Speaker C: Well, and I have to say last year is not a loss, because if we beat Oregon, then we did have a losing year.
Speaker C: But does anyone remember any of the bowls from last year except for the national title game?
Speaker C: Last year really didn't count.
Speaker B: I remember not knowing that ball games are happening until, like, four games into the season.
Speaker B: I knew the College Football Playoff was happening and that the other BCS games were going to go forth, but I was like, oh, the my Nicki CarCare ball in Detroit is still awarding bids.
Speaker B: They're like anyone is eligible.
Speaker B: Anyone was eligible.
Speaker B: We could have gotten a bid.
Speaker B: Oh, my God.
Speaker C: Technically, we were bold eligible last time.
Speaker B: Okay.
Speaker C: Yeah.
Speaker B: All right.
Speaker A: Extension for Smith.
Speaker B: Smith gets a ten year extension, and I think that fake talk about Smith extension is a great segue over to the hardwood.
Speaker B: And Oregon State basketball specifically talking about men's basketball, because we've been chatting awhile, and the Elite Eight run was one of the most magical things to happen in a long time for that program while we were in school.
Speaker B: It was easily the worst men's basketball program in the country.
Speaker B: All three of us sat through a season that was Owen 18 in conference play.
Speaker B: I'm not sure if that's still Owen 18, because that was the year that USC had OJ.
Speaker B: Mayo, and I believe all of those games were vacated.
Speaker B: So maybe we're owing 16 of the official record books now.
Speaker B: I don't think those games were forfeited.
Speaker B: I think they're vacated.
Speaker B: So we're still a winless team.
Speaker B: But obviously this March was the sun was shining on Oregon State basketball.
Speaker B: The women's team advanced too.
Speaker B: So I think this was probably the best season collectively for Oregon State men's and women's basketball in a long time.
Speaker B: I don't remember the last season that both teams would have advanced, but the men haven't advanced since 1982, and that was vacated by the NCAA.
Speaker B: So, you know, it's been a while.
Speaker B: I know Scott Ruex had his Lady's ball in for the last decade or so, but Tinkle's Boys made a run for the first time ever, and Tinkle was rewarded with a prepaid contract extension.
Speaker B: Now he's slated to be the head coach of Beaver men's basketball through 2027.
Speaker B: Now that we're a bit of a little over a month removed from the most fun any of us have had with college basketball, sort of what are your guys'thoughts on the program?
Speaker B: The run we had and Tinkle signing his extension and some of the transfer speculation and moves that have happened since then.
Speaker B: JP.
Speaker B: Let's start with you.
Speaker A: I think first and foremost, one of the things that at least in our circle gets very little attention was despite how awesome the season was and went, it was actually Tinkle's fifth winning season in seven years with us, which is many more winning seasons than we saw of basketball prior to him.
Speaker A: So while it doesn't feel like this immediate turnaround that happened, and I think a lot of it, we had some expectations because of the fact of the coach's son's recruits coming in were highly touted and we thought they're the saving grace.
Speaker A: Let's get this going.
Speaker A: He's riding the ship.
Speaker A: As a guy who was a Tinkle lover and a Tinkle doubter and is now a Tinkle lover, has anyone ever seen, in a sense of you before?
Speaker B: I was going to say you are clearly on the verge of laughter with every adjective you follow with Tinkle.
Speaker A: I'm all for it.
Speaker B: Give him the attention.
Speaker A: Bring it on.
Speaker B: Instagram the video part of the purchase, JP's face every time he says Tinkle.
Speaker C: I agree, though.
Speaker C: I think that maybe it was just because I had JP on my phone texting me every other day that Tinkle was garbage and I agreed with it.
Speaker C: I think we did.
Speaker C: And it was because we were seeing such little production out of anyone outside of Trace.
Speaker C: And I think we were all worried that once he left, the team was just going to be like what we saw when we were going through that 118 season.
Speaker C: We kind of were for the first part of the year, right until February, and that's when things started shifting gear.
Speaker C: But the thing that I thought my takeaway from the tournament, other than it being maybe the greatest Oregon State moment outside of the Fiesta Ball in 2001 that I've experienced, was the depth that we had.
Speaker C: And I think that's totally due to Tinkle and his staff and the recruiting that they've done.
Speaker C: So I'm excited for what's to come and for some coaches, it just takes a little bit longer for them to implement their style and to truly get the type of kids that they want in their program.
Speaker C: And maybe that's where Tinkles at, but I don't think that we're going to find a better coach.
Speaker C: We've tried that and Oregon State's athletic program is just not to the caliber to get the type of coach that we want to get to the tournament every year.
Speaker C: And so my hope is that Tinkle has sort of figured it out and I really hope that I mean, making it to the Elite Eight is a huge deal for recruit, so hopefully he's able to cash in on that and keep the run going.
Speaker C: But that was a ton of fun to watch.
Speaker B: Yes.
Speaker B: And I'm glad you brought up the recruiting that they've done.
Speaker B: I still think a hang up.
Speaker B: I have not a hang up, but just something that I think we do need to mention is that this will now be a new territory for him and for the program.
Speaker B: He's going to need to get high profile performance number one player performance, number one recruit performance out of someone who does not have a father on the coaching staff.
Speaker B: The best players on this team, for better, for worse.
Speaker B: The last number of years have been Ethan Thompson, stevie Thompson Jr.
Speaker B: And Trace Tinkle.
Speaker B: Some encouraging signs, I think, from this past run was the play of Maurice Kalu, who transferred from Oklahoma State.
Speaker B: Rodriguendella, who was a transfer because during even, like JP mentioned the number of winning season singlehead, there was this sort of mystifying transfers, like after we made the tournament in 2016, even though we were losing Gary Payton the second going into the next year and having the same magic would have been tough.
Speaker B: Like, guys like Derek Bruce transferring really set the program back.
Speaker B: Jacquari McLaughlin transferring, set the program back.
Speaker A: He was in the tournament this year.
Speaker B: And he was in the tournament this year and played really well.
Speaker B: And you see Santa Barbara, which upset.
Speaker B: So it was just kind of like, clearly this is a level of competence we hadn't seen under J.
Speaker B: John or Craig Robinson.
Speaker B: But there's still something missing.
Speaker B: And I think we can all even like tinkle's overall record is sort of shattered by the season that followed his first NCAA tournament with the Beavers in 20, 16, 17, when we went one in 17 in conference play.
Speaker B: But that was Trace getting hurt.
Speaker B: Ethan wasn't on the team yet.
Speaker B: Bruce transferring.
Speaker B: It was just like literally all the wheels fell off and anyone would have gone like five and 27 that year.
Speaker B: Sort of looking back on it, it's hard to give coaches a free pass for stuff like that, especially in big time sports.
Speaker B: But like you said, Benny, it's one of the hardest basketball jobs in the country, I think.
Speaker B: And he somehow got an Oregon State team to the Elite Eight.
Speaker B: We need to see what he does with this, what kind of transfers it gets, what kind of hype it generates.
Speaker B: On the recruiting trail, we're sort of seeing.
Speaker B: We've got one big transfer from Maryland coming in, someone who's like, leaving duke has us on like his list of six or whatever.
Speaker B: Just little things.
Speaker A: I think he picked.
Speaker B: Did he pick and he's not coming to Oregon State?
Speaker A: No.
Speaker A: We got that dude, Trey Williams from Minnesota the other day.
Speaker B: Oh, trey Williams is transferring.
Speaker B: Yeah, to Oregon State.
Speaker B: He's a good player.
Speaker A: Nice.
Speaker C: The player from Maryland is the guy who's really tall.
Speaker C: Right.
Speaker A: He's seven, seven two.
Speaker B: He is a top 100 recruit and hasn't been able to stay healthy so far in his college career.
Speaker B: So hopefully the change of scenery and probably physically maturing a little bit is going to be what he needs.
Speaker B: So I'm happy for a tinkle.
Speaker B: I'm so happy for our program.
Speaker B: It's a big extension, and we're going to need to evolve to the point where going to the NIT would be like a down year or like an average year because we still never played in the Nic, which I think is kind of hilarious.
Speaker B: We've had all these years where it's like, man, if we make it to the NIT, I'd be happy.
Speaker B: And now I'm sitting here being like, if we go to the MIT, we're going to have to fire some f****** coaches because it's obviously not going to be an Elite Eight run every year.
Speaker B: And Ethan Thompson announced he's leaving the program, which I honestly get.
Speaker B: I think it's the perfect time for him to leave.
Speaker B: This is what you want to go out on?
Speaker B: I don't know if Zac Richel has announced if he's going to use the FDA eligibility left.
Speaker A: I haven't seen anything from Richel, but Silva announced he's at least put his name in the draft.
Speaker A: Alec.
Speaker B: Same with Aleca.
Speaker C: I think Aleca comes back and I'll tell you what, like outside of Stevie and Trey, I don't know if we've had I can't remember a time where we've had two players that could very easily be all conference with Jared Lucas.
Speaker C: And the way he played in the tournament was he wasn't as good as Stevie in the tournament, but he was really close and Alatiche, and you could just see Alecitia is 100% without a doubt an NBA player.
Speaker C: He will play in the league, but he has to work out some of those fundamentals and you can tell he picked up basketball recently, but to have those two players on the team next.
Speaker A: Year will be really good.
Speaker C: And I think this is the make or break year.
Speaker C: We did make the Elite Eight, but I think a lot of recruits can look at that as it was a fluke, it felt real, but it also didn't feel real with no fans in the stands.
Speaker C: And I think if you can make the tournament this year, you sort of solidify yourself as being a team that can do that and that will really help on the recruiting trail, right?
Speaker A: Yeah, I think the conversation for Pack twelve conference champions would help as well.
Speaker A: We could fall short or get another low speed or something in the tournament.
Speaker A: But being in the mix as the season winds down, that's not because of the tournament tactical championship tournament, it's exciting, but if we're in the top four as the season winds down and a couple of games bounce away and it's like looking really could be likely that goes really far as well.
Speaker A: That's the one thing that's been missing so far from Tinkle, is we're not really in the mix in conference play ever.
Speaker B: Right?
Speaker B: And yeah, we're usually s*** on the road in conference play too.
Speaker A: This year though, it looked a lot better.
Speaker B: We did look a lot better.
Speaker B: There's a big one in Utah towards the end of the year, but also this run of six straight wins, huge wins, all at neutral sites and you can get hot.
Speaker B: And I'm not trying to take anything away from Tinkle because this was masterful.
Speaker B: He threw up his middle finger to all of us who even inferred that this dude couldn't coach at any point and said, watch what I do with this weird roster of talent.
Speaker B: And one.
Speaker B: Look what happens when they all buy in.
Speaker B: But you don't engage in tournament play all season.
Speaker B: You have to travel to the Bay Area and get at least one win at Calais Sanford.
Speaker B: You have to go into Arizona and pick up one win at Arizona State or Arizona.
Speaker B: We're that weird conference where you have those paired travel partners, where you get to go to Seattle and hey, that's fun, Seattle, and then let's go to the f****** Palouse and play Washington State.
Speaker B: And it's negative 20 outside.
Speaker B: So it's a tough travel conference.
Speaker B: We're pretty spread out from a lot of the teams that we play, and those games are hard.
Speaker B: But if you can go 500 on the road in the past twelve and defend your home court, which we did do a good job of this year, it's an encouraging sign.
Speaker B: Then you're going to finish top four in the conference, probably, and be in the mix for that large bid.
Speaker B: Because as fun as this was, I would like to live to see old age.
Speaker B: And if we're in a conference tournament like this, the UCLA game, the Oregon game, and the Colorado game, there's only so many, so many of those games that I think a human heart can take.
Speaker B: If Alexia ends up leaving, I'll be very worried.
Speaker B: But right now, so far, we've been told to expect him back, and I think we'll be set up for at least another fun season.
Speaker A: Thinking about favorite moments in the last.
Speaker B: Run, or just moments?
Speaker B: Has it sunk in?
Speaker B: Does it feel real yet?
Speaker B: Because, honestly, I'm not even sure that it happened.
Speaker B: Still, this podcast might not even be real.
Speaker B: Like your boy Kyle Shanahan said, I can't guarantee anyone will be alive past Sunday.
Speaker A: He was right.
Speaker B: We could all be in a simulation.
Speaker A: Most of us are here.
Speaker A: But it's hard to pick a favorite moment from this run, honestly, because the entire run felt like a moment that just had a lifeline extension over and over and over again.
Speaker A: It was also kind of draining in a good way because I was nervous, excited.
Speaker A: It was like, top of mind for me every day when they weren't playing, and even more so on game days.
Speaker A: I could not get it out of my head like, this is unreal.
Speaker A: We can't blow this.
Speaker A: I just kept thinking that over and over again because I didn't want it to end.
Speaker A: I didn't care where we ended up.
Speaker A: I mean, short of being champions, I didn't care, right?
Speaker A: All I wanted was a championship or bus.
Speaker A: But I also was thinking, this is just too much fun to change the channel.
Speaker A: I don't want to turn off the TV because I just want this to keep happening.
Speaker A: So for me, it was almost like the season was just going on.
Speaker A: We're like, yeah, we're playing good.
Speaker A: Some guys are coming in their own.
Speaker A: This is really nice to see people turn a corner late in the season.
Speaker A: Maybe we'll make a run in the past twelve tournament.
Speaker A: That would be fun.
Speaker A: It wasn't really, we have to win this game in this game.
Speaker A: And then we're set up nicely to maybe get a bid into the big dance.
Speaker A: So the season didn't really matter.
Speaker A: It was like all of a sudden we started watching the patch of the tournament and it was like, boom.
Speaker A: Okay, yeah, these guys are showing up.
Speaker A: This is awesome.
Speaker A: Oh, wow, they're still here.
Speaker A: And then it kept rolling and I just didn't want to get off the train.
Speaker A: It was like, too much fun.
Speaker B: It's insane to think about how we were all texting our group chat during that first UCLA game where I couldn't watch because you can't watch Pac Twelve networks anywhere, basically.
Speaker B: Especially in the middle.
Speaker C: Fire Larry Scott suit.
Speaker B: F*** you, Larry Scott.
Speaker B: Yes.
Speaker B: Fire him twice just so he gets the message.
Speaker B: And Weehage was texting all of us.
Speaker B: And then I signed on to password.com and I activated the five minute preview right as an eight minute review was starting.
Speaker B: So I didn't see a single play.
Speaker B: And I'm just like in my apartment, I'm making dinner and I'm just trying to find any kind of content, and I'm just screaming at my phone, like literally yelling, like, Ben, text faster.
Speaker B: And it's like we were tied up, headed to overtime.
Speaker B: Gianni Hunt just hit the backboard and it was literally like, what the f*** is happening?
Speaker B: That was the opening round of the Pack Twelve Tournament, and now we're here.
Speaker B: JP's wearing an elite eight shirt.
Speaker B: It is f****** impossible.
Speaker B: There's so many favorite moments.
Speaker B: I find myself going back to the extended highlights on YouTube of each of those six games.
Speaker B: Even the Houston game I've watched a couple of times because I remember I finally got to that point where I was like, okay, the run is over when we're down by a lot, and then we just come back and Johnny Hunt hit the backboard again, but it bounced off and went in and it tied the game.
Speaker B: And I was like, maybe if I watched this again.
Speaker B: There's a different version where Oregon State actually won.
Speaker A: I don't know, I just don't remember.
Speaker B: I didn't notice this live, but rewatching it sort of the Houston bench was like in a full on fight when we tied it up and they're like they're like pointing fingers at each other, like, how the f*** did you let them hit that shot off?
Speaker A: They looked and completely they're falling apart.
Speaker B: It looks like they're falling apart and d*** it, d*** it.
Speaker B: We could have.
Speaker B: Gone to the fall apart.
Speaker B: Another reason to go to Indiana, to get kicked out of Indiana.
Speaker B: You guys.
Speaker C: Well, can I give you my two favorite moments here?
Speaker C: The first being obvious.
Speaker C: With us beating Oregon in the past twelve tournament, we made it to the elite, and one of my top moments is beating Oregon.
Speaker B: We beat Oregon two out of three times this year, so, you know, right, we won't get it twisted.
Speaker C: My second was, and this was sort of just a feeling, but going into the NCAA Tournament and being matched up against Tennessee, it was that 512 matchup, right?
Speaker C: And no one was giving us a chance of upsetting Tennessee.
Speaker C: That was like the foregone conclusion bullshit.
Speaker B: Because upset every year we were more.
Speaker C: So than picking the five seat to win.
Speaker B: Right.
Speaker C: And when we were up, I think we went to a break where we were up.
Speaker C: It was like 33 to 14 on Tennessee.
Speaker C: We were just running up the scoreboard in the first half, and I'm sitting in front of the TV like, I cannot believe what's happening in front of my eyes.
Speaker C: Like, the Pac Twelve Tournament is one thing, but this is something that's totally different.
Speaker C: Tennessee was just so much better physically and I think athletically, that it was just that was crazy to me where we went up by that much.
Speaker C: And I think that was the point where I was like, okay, we could go on wrong.
Speaker C: And sort of that feeling where it's like, if this is what North Carolina and Duke must feel like in the first round, where it's like, you don't have to worry about the rest of the game.
Speaker C: But yeah, you heard it here first.
Speaker A: In the Blizzard Beach.
Speaker A: Oregon State is like North Carolina, Duke.
Speaker B: Yeah, that's right.
Speaker B: On my list of notes is, are we a basketball school now?
Speaker B: Are we a blue blood?
Speaker B: Watch out, Kansas, you got blown up by USC and we won USC Conference, so for the first time in any of our lifetimes.
Speaker B: Benny, you grew up a Beaver fan.
Speaker B: JP, you had an older sibling go to Oregon State before you did.
Speaker B: Both of you had reason to cheer for Oregon State before you got their students.
Speaker B: Oregon State was only on my mind because of the 2000 Fiestable when I was a kid growing up, so I didn't have an emotional investment in the school.
Speaker B: But still, we were all watching Oregon State advance in the tournament for the first time in our lifetimes.
Speaker B: That Tennessee game is huge, and it's like the fifth most watched highlights of all of these games we had.
Speaker B: There's one moment where Richel just spots up from almost half court when he doesn't need to.
Speaker B: I think it's in the second half when we were just really pouring it on.
Speaker B: Tennessee does make a run and I think cut it to twelve at one point.
Speaker B: And Brendan Haywood, who was the color analyst for the game right as Rykel is about to shoot, he just goes, don't do that.
Speaker B: Don't do that.
Speaker B: Rikel just drains it.
Speaker B: It was just like, if that goes in, then everything's just coming up beams today.
Speaker B: And that is something that has never happened to us.
Speaker B: We've never had that feeling for men's basketball before.
Speaker B: So that was when winning the conference tournament was so fun, but doing it to an SEC team in the NCAA tournament to advance, that was amazing.
Speaker B: So I loved that game so much.
Speaker B: And that Zach Richard shot is going to live in my mind forever.
Speaker A: If we're going to consider, like, are we in basketball school now?
Speaker A: Where do we start?
Speaker B: I don't know where you start, because it came out of nowhere this year.
Speaker B: I don't know if anything, like, from last year.
Speaker B: JP.
Speaker B: You and I talked about this the night of the Houston game.
Speaker B: On with the call that last year, right before COVID was when we were playing our best.
Speaker B: And that last year could have been this year.
Speaker B: I don't think the team was quite as good or quite as realized.
Speaker B: They obviously didn't have all of each A or Kalu or andala but they were playing really well.
Speaker B: Jared Lucas hits that shot against Utah.
Speaker B: We win the first round of conference tournament against Utah in thrilling fashion, and then the seasons canceled.
Speaker B: So maybe some foundation was laid last year, but I don't think anything before that really counts.
Speaker B: I don't think anything in the GP two era, the Malcolm De Vivier era, the Langston Morris Walker era, nothing against any of those guys.
Speaker B: Anyone who played basketball, stay on flight, baby.
Speaker B: Anyone who played basketball for Oregon for multiple seasons has my respect forever because it has been just such a frustrating program.
Speaker B: I appreciate anyone.
Speaker A: Unless you're Daniel Dean.
Speaker B: Unless you're Daniel Dean or Sasha Chuch, and then you can f*** right off.
Speaker C: I don't have your backpack anymore.
Speaker B: If this is the this podcast, if you're Sasha Chuch and you're listening, turn it the f*** off.
Speaker B: You blew a game against Washington State my freshman year.
Speaker A: Unsubscribe, bro.
Speaker B: Unsubscribe immediately, like everyone else.
Speaker B: It's just like I don't know.
Speaker B: I'm not saying this came totally out of nowhere, because I would imply that it was just luck, and I don't think it was luck, but I don't know where you draw the line in the sand.
Speaker B: I think it's just Tinkle probably becoming a better and better coach all the time and building up this group of kids this season and then finding the way at the right time.
Speaker C: Well, and I think that we've talked about this before on multiple occasions, that Tinkle tends to lose players in the transfer portal more so than other coaches, right?
Speaker C: And we were sort of wondering what's the culture like at Oregon State if so many players want to leave.
Speaker C: But the way that team came together, I mean, that shows that tingle and his coaching staff know what they're doing because I don't think that any one of those players, I mean, no one's MBA ready right now or really even close altitude may be the outlier there, but they came together as a team.
Speaker C: And I think you heard a lot of the commentators during the games mentioned how well Oregon State is playing as a team, and they bought in to the way that Tinkle wanted them to play.
Speaker C: So I think there is a huge amount of credit that goes to Tinkle and the staff.
Speaker B: Well, especially on the defensive side of the floor.
Speaker B: Do we see a good defensive possession of basketball in the four plus years of college that we had in core balance Oregon?
Speaker A: You know what, hold on.
Speaker A: I don't know about that because there were games where Oregon State would lose like 43, 34.
Speaker B: Sure, yeah, there was.
Speaker A: That there must have been defense.
Speaker A: No, this is Jayjon era.
Speaker B: Well.
Speaker A: Jayjon, this is Marcel Jones, sasha sewage.
Speaker A: Angelo Sakurakis.
Speaker B: Those guys aren't playing any defense.
Speaker B: But no, there could have been a doubt here talking.
Speaker B: Craig Rob did bring in that 131 zone that frustrated teams, and Seth Tarver was a good defensive player.
Speaker B: But even though Kate Cunningham, I think, put up 26 points against us, the way we switched and moved on defense against Oklahoma State and against Loyola as.
Speaker A: Well and switch the defense of formation.
Speaker B: Too and it wasn't like this is like, oh, we run a weird zone.
Speaker B: You don't score on it for ten minutes, and then you kind of figure it out.
Speaker B: Whatever.
Speaker B: Like, we were just I couldn't keep track of what kind of defenses were playing.
Speaker A: We were throwing action of everywhere.
Speaker B: Exactly.
Speaker B: And credit to Alatiche, where he was just on every piece of hardware the entire game was just blocking the f*** out of Kid Cunningham shot.
Speaker B: Who might be the number one pick in the NBA draft this year.
Speaker B: Until Jerry Cunningham, we never saw any thunderst dunks, and I don't think I've ever seen an Oregon State basketball player beat the f*** out of a lottery picks shot.
Speaker B: Let alone someone who's this conversation for the number one pick.
Speaker C: Yeah, he shot.
Speaker C: It was like 25% for the game.
Speaker C: It was six for 20, which is insane.
Speaker C: That someone that's going to be the NBA draft at all, shooting 25% in a tournament game, but someone that's going to be presumably the number one pick.
Speaker C: That is such a huge testament to our defense, it's crazy.
Speaker B: Not even necessarily like a favorite moment, whatever, but just something that I did notice the day I felt the worst, the worst day leading up to a game, like, it was so fun, whatever.
Speaker B: But my most miserable time of existence were the hours leading up to the Loyola game.
Speaker B: I met up with our friend Joseph Maybe here in Minneapolis to watch that game, and I was like, he had to remind me to breathe and take breaths or whatever.
Speaker B: My back hurt.
Speaker B: I was anxious.
Speaker B: I had the shakes.
Speaker A: And then, like me, every morning, we.
Speaker B: Played we played so poorly to open the game.
Speaker B: And then it was like, boom.
Speaker B: The team's nerves were gone.
Speaker B: My nerves were gone.
Speaker B: We took that lead.
Speaker B: And I know loyalty got it close again, but I don't know.
Speaker B: To me, that game ended when Ale Tisha threw that 70 foot bomb to Ethan that ended in a dunk.
Speaker B: And we all texted each other, like, put them at quarterback.
Speaker C: And then Jebie likes my tweet.
Speaker B: Jebi liked your tweet on that.
Speaker A: We're trying to segments together here.
Speaker A: This is wonderful.
Speaker A: Podcasting.
Speaker B: Exactly.
Speaker B: I didn't have a plan for this.
Speaker B: I've been thinking about this since the second week of Quarantine in 2020 when I first texted you about an Oregon State sports pod guy.
Speaker A: I'm sure you foresee connecting all the teacher's throw to quarterbacking.
Speaker B: I had watched all kinds of film on Worries Alatiche months before he announced he was transferring to Oregon.
Speaker B: Awesome.
Speaker B: Well, we're coming up on quite a full first episode, so I think we will start to sign off here.
Speaker B: Thank you guys both for being down for this.
Speaker B: Any final thoughts on Oregon State sports or beer or anything else in the world right now?
Speaker B: JP, it looks like you're eager to say something.
Speaker B: Yeah, I think that we should be.
Speaker A: More belligerent per episode two.
Speaker A: That is my one takeaway.
Speaker B: I think during we're doing this now, it's May 3.
Speaker B: Football season is about exactly four months away.
Speaker B: We're going to do this potentially after games.
Speaker C: It's going to get so much the.
Speaker B: Belligerence will be up.
Speaker B: We'll have to figure out a schedule when it's basketball season.
Speaker B: I don't think we can recap every single game, but we'll land on a weekly schedule for football.
Speaker B: Maybe we'll wait until Sunday to let the air clear a little bit, but I don't know.
Speaker B: I think for podcasting sake, pressing record immediately after beating Organ sounds like a fantastic episode.
Speaker C: Can we please have the original Orange Man Jesse the Jive Man Johnson on the podcast?
Speaker C: At some point if there's one person.
Speaker B: That'S going to randomly of the jive, I will send him a zoom link and he can do what he wishes.
Speaker B: But yeah, we'll definitely line up some guests.
Speaker B: We'll talk more than just basketball and football.
Speaker B: There's exciting stuff with the women's program as well.
Speaker B: My girl Mikayla Pivot is currently on the Minnesota Lynx training camp roster, hoping she may be party zone links.
Speaker B: Party zone, baby.
Speaker B: I'm stoked for a WNBA season.
Speaker B: JP is stoked for the warriors to win the Play In tournament, potentially beating the Lakers, which would be the funniest f****** s*** ever.
Speaker A: We'll be Patty LeBron.
Speaker B: We'll probably be posting episodes every other week.
Speaker B: While it's main college sport off season.
Speaker B: I think we'll try and do some research on Oregon State baseball.
Speaker B: There might be a tournament run for them coming.
Speaker B: I don't know if there's any Oregon State baseball savage here, so maybe we'll have to call in some reinforcements for that one.
Speaker B: Or we'll just recreate OState Ballas and laid off track and that will be a podcast episode.
Speaker A: That will be the Mitch on.
Speaker B: Any listeners who tuned in were like, oh, I'd listen to another episode.
Speaker B: Would then unsubscribe pretty abruptly.
Speaker B: Thank you for tuning in.
Speaker B: Please like and subscribe and rate and review.
Speaker B: It helps grow the podcast a lot.
Speaker B: There are already some very good Oregon State podcasts on the internet right now, but there are not nearly enough.
Speaker B: We don't have nearly enough shows as other universities, and our fan base is better than those universities.
Speaker B: Like I said, the Harvard of the Pacific Northwest.
Speaker B: The Paris of the Pacific Northwest.
Speaker B: We should have the classiest content and we should also have this podcast, which is not classy at all.
Speaker B: But thank you for tuning in.
Speaker B: We will probably have some social media launching soon.
Speaker B: We do have a Gmail belligerentbeeves@gmail.com send us some info and yeah, like and follow wherever you get your podcast.
Speaker B: My name is Terry Horseman and I'm joined, as always, by my friends and fellow belligerent thieves, JP.
Speaker B: Bertram and Benny Wehage.
Speaker B: Thanks for tuning in and we'll see you next time.
Speaker B: Peace.
Speaker A: Chop them.
Speaker B: Chop them.